What 'Unemployment' Really Means These Days
Permalink Posted on 01-06-2007 at 03:45:07 am by Aaron Email , 1433 words, 16482 views  

The latest BLS employment situation report states 4.5% unemployment, and 167,000 jobs created in December.

Are you done doing backflips? Good (just kidding).

While anecdotally it is easy to see that there is indeed a shortage of "skilled" workers in the US today, it has struck me in recent months as a bit hasty to extrapolate this observation into the conclusion that "unemployment is low." Intuitively (to anyone with their eyes open, at least), one suspects that in a society as bifurcated as ours, the half with the "short end" of the stick doesn't have such bright employment prospects. You just get that kinda feelin', being out and about.

Suspicions that the headline numbers are somehow failing to reflect this reality find confirmation from a surprising place: the information put out by the government bureaus themselves.

First off, we learn here that the headline "unemployment" number we see every month isn't the unemployment number -- it's one of many, in a creative hierarchy introduced circa 1995. In fact, there are three more key unemployment numbers: one including marginally attached workers, one including discouraged workers, and one including compulsory (my term) part-time workers:

The explanation of these categories is :

Marginally attached workers are persons who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the recent past. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for a job. Persons employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule.


I don't know about you, but those strike me as really important things to track. Especially if, like, you subscribe to NAIRU and believe high employment is the source of inflation (here I'm thinking of fringe players like the Fed and Wall Street... and the mainstream economics profession. And finance.). Then wouldn't you want to know how high employment actually was, in the most comprehensive sense?

Maybe not, if you knew you might not like what you'd see.

So for one, it turns out all those college grads forced to take a few shifts at Starbucks to make ends meet show up as "employed" by the headline count, but tellingly aren't included in the compulsory part-time count. Because, well, in an important sense, these people aren't fully-employed.

What bothers me a little more, though, are those categories of "discouraged" and "marginally attached" workers. After enough failure at finding a job, the natural thing to do is give up looking. And the only real distinction I can divine between "marginally attached" and "discouraged" workers as that discouraged workers at least have a theory as to why they can't find a job. For that, they go even farther into the basement of statistical purgatory.

It's time for some numbers. What does the breakdown look like for this whole dichotomy? For December, 2006, We have:

Headline unemployment4.5%
Unemployed+discouraged4.7%
The above+marginal5.3%
Above+part time8.0%


Wow! 8%! That's scandalously close to "twice the headline number"!

As is probably not too shocking, the most widespread problem these days seems to be those "underemployed" part-time folks. I sure run into them a lot more than vagrants and deadbeat 20-somethings living back at home and the like -- but there's certainly no shortage of any of these demographics.

Interestingly, the data in the above breakdown isn't included in the employment situation report itself; that only gets the smaller, mostly-exclusive (headline) unemployment figure. How convenient.

If you aren't yet at least annoyed, don't fret: one can get even more creative from here. At one point not too long ago, I reflected on our nation's highest-in-world prison population which I had heard to be approximately 2 million, and wondered what the impact of that population is on unemployment record-keeping. Is the government sweeping an endemic unemployment problem under the rug, by doing things like locking up nonviolent drug offenders (rumored to be about half of the total) and vagrants?

The data is certainly suggestive.

Reporting from the Department of Justice's data, in 1980, about 1.5 million people were in the corrections system in some capacity (in jail or prison, on parole, or on probation). In 2005, that number had skyrocketed to about 7.5 million, with about 2.2 million of those physically in jail. As a sidebar, that is twice communist China's incarceration level, which compared to the 1.3 billion people of China represents a per capita incarceration rate over 8 times higher! Not something to be proud of.


Anyway, that means the ongoing corrections population in the US grew by 6 million in the past quarter century; or a growth of a factor of five (the national population itself has somewhat lagged this rate, racking up only a factor 1.3 in the same time span).

With numbers like that, we could be talking about some real distortion of employment figures. What if we were to actually count those people as unemployed -- which they are? (In fact, they're worse than unemployed -- we spend well over the median wage supporting each of them -- but we'll let that slide for now.) The picture might look like this:

Headline unemployment4.5%
Headline+prison population5.8%
Headline+all corrections9.2%
All-unempl.+prison pop.9.3%
All-unempl.+all corr.12.7%


Almost 13%. That's a lot of the workforce that's actually not productively engaged at all! (Note: here I'm using 152 million as the baseline labor pool as per the BLS, and adding in 2 and 7.5 million from the corrections population as appropriate for comparison. I'm also implicitly assuming non-imprisoned people who are on parole or probation aren't very employable; but if you dispute this, you're welcome to use the 9.3% imprisonment-only number).

In some subpopulations, this is all rather noticeable -- better than 1 in 12 African American males are locked up.

I've been suspicious of other objective problems in the unemployment reporting, as well. For example, as someone involved in hiring in the IT area, I've noticed that our biggest employment competitor is... the government. And not just the government in general, but in specific, defense and intelligence as well as their private contractors. In sum, the homeland security complex. Given the amount of deficit spending supporting this massive employment complex, I have my doubts it will be around forever -- so we certainly shouldn't be relying on all those jobs it provides.

Another example is the approximately 2.5 million realtors counted as "employed." Are they, now? I bet a good half to a third of them aren't earning enough commissions to stay in the business anymore, now that we've hit a major slowdown. It's only a matter of months until quite a few of them (perhaps .5-1.5 million) hit the unemployment line. Ditto housing construction workers.

No amount of massaging is going to be able to hide all that.

And then there's health care; my arch-nemesis (ok, maybe banks are my arch-nemesis. Or maybe the Fed. But health care is at least on my "enemies" list). This industry has gone too far for too long, benefitting disproportionately from a broken tax structure. The double-digit annual expense growth in this sector for the past decade has naturally fuelled an employment bonanza. The spending in this area would surely be trimmed back by about 1/4 just bringing the US in line with the rest of the developed world; I suspect it could be cut back by 1/3 or more by applying actual "free markets" (I heard they're a cool thing invented by this "Friedman" guy...)

One day, the day of reckoning for the US health care complex will come (for some, the cold hand of death is already being felt upon the shoulder).

Coincidentally enough, BusinessWeek recently had a story where they analyzed the main sources of job growth in the US since 2001. Here's the chart that sums up the whole article:


Submitted for your consideration.

Please don't feed the statistigandists!

Update, 6 Jan. 2007, 6:30pm: I should also mention for those that want to understand the employment issue at an even less controversial level that the guys at Econbrowser have been doing a good job (no pun intended) of putting job growth in perspective. Notably, they frequently publish a comparison of employment growth in the "current" recovery with that in the last, revealing that the Bush "economic miracle" has been rather mediocre. However, it's charts like this one in a recent post that inspired this writeup: I find it quite ludicrous to suggest that we've dramatically reduced structural unemployment relative to the past, especially given the obvious and directly-observable societal trends highlighted above (among other factors). Sure, they're just republishing the government's data, but data like that should come with a warning label.

Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: Walter [Visitor] Email · http://walterindenver.com
You can add one more category to the numbers of the unemployed - those people who choose to go on permanent disability. The long term trend is way up.
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 13:02
Comment from: Jacob [Visitor] Email
Why are you adding those on parole or probation to the unemployed list? I see no evidence that their unemployment is excluded from the government statistics. 9.3% is a plenty scary number already!
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 14:29
Comment from: Aaron [Member] Email
It's possible that it's in the "discouraged" category. I don't know. That's why I listed multiple possibilities.

But wouldn't you like it if the government would tell us?
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 14:37
Comment from: Zack [Visitor] Email · http://zazona.com
Aaron, there is not a shortage of skilled workers. Seriously, why would you believe such nonsense? It's a lie put out by corporations that don't want to pay a decent wage for US workers, so they pretend we don't exist and try to get foreignors to take our jobs.
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 17:08
Comment from: Aaron [Member] Email
Well Zack, as I said, I'm going by my experience -- not what some corporations are saying.

There probably isn't a shortage -- it's just that government has sucked up around a million of the IT jobs in the past few years. And those guys print money; kinda hard to compete with.
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 18:10
Comment from: Michael [Visitor] Email
We should not forget the 150,000 soldiers who have come home from Iraq with disabilities (physical and mental) serious enough to make them unable to serve. If they can't serve in the military I bet a good proportion of them are not employable in the private sector.

PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 21:30
Comment from: wizwow [Visitor] Email
I live in an area that has higher income stats, and right next door is a lower income area. There are jobs everywhere. From entry level to middle management, the opportunities are there. I cannot find coders for projects we are working on (and we pay well), we have more and more midlevel jobs going begging. If you want to count the chronic unemployed, or those that think their ability to process oxygen into CO2 makes them worthy of 60k a year job... well, ok. But my experience is that if you want it, it can be had. Case in point is my partner's brother. HS education... gets an entry level job ($6 per hour to start) and within 5 months he is now salaried east valley assistant with $45k per year. Know how he did it? Didn't whine, showed up ready, worked hard and didn't whine. Oh, sorry... said that already. It is most unbecoming to simply bash and bash and bash and offer no substantive information other than gut feelings.

cheers,
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 21:37
Comment from: Perturbed [Visitor] Email
I and my best friend have been out of work for over 3 months now. I have a bachelors in computer science and physics, my friend has an MBA and degree in economics. We live in Brooklyn, NY. We can't find jobs. We have skills. I don't believe these statistics, and from my interactions with the horrendously broken NY State Dept of Labor, I would cast doubt on anything anyone says about employment and poverty in the US. These inflated stats are just supposed to act as some panacea to0reassure consumers that they should keep buying, and extending their debt, even though the geographic gradient of income in this city is just a bunch of vertical lines. Just look at what happened with all the investment banks, the rich and fewer get richer and fewer. Meanwhile, the plants are blossoming in January at the Botanic Gardens. Perfect opportunity to get new khakis.
The bottom line is their are a lot of dopes with no skills sitting at desks all day doing nothing and getting paid for it. These people all think they deserve it, and pat themselves on the back and cast expressions of derision on the less fortunate. This behavior seems like some kind of self preservation mechanism for the human ego, to which we all fall prey. Well, I don't care for it, ego and hubris need to be replaced with sharing and empathy, but we are led by the least among us.
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 22:10
Comment from: Bill T. [Visitor] · http://www.whitehouse.com
The idea is that the numbers are figured on a consistent basis quarter to quarter so investors can determine longterm trends.
PermalinkPermalink 01-06-2007 @ 23:51
Comment from: Aaron [Member] Email
Bill T.:

But they aren't. That seems clear to me. How can you justify the same metric in a society with 1.5 million people in corrections to one with 7.5 million in corrections? And how is it justifiable to divert attention away from very significant and growing population of underemployed+discouraged and other "marginal" people?

It is sometimes admitted that the metrics have changed over the years, and this point generally goes unexamined. It is exploited by politicians at the highest levels to sate the electorate and justify further policies that may only be making the situation worse (like deficit spending).
PermalinkPermalink 01-07-2007 @ 00:38
Comment from: Chui [Visitor] Email · http://teyc.blogspot.com/
That's nothing. Bush's best friend in Australia, the Hon. Howard Prime Minister buried unemployed figures by encouraging them to classify themselves as disabled (and getting an even bigger tax-funded pension). The unemployment figures went down of course.

The disabled pension budget blew out of course. The minister in charge then started talking about 'how able these people are to work, rather than talk about disability'.
PermalinkPermalink 01-07-2007 @ 00:42
Comment from: Edie [Visitor] Email · http://annotatedlife.blogspot.com
Good observations. A critical comparison between the current recovery period with the last one, and of these past two to the other post-WWII recovery periods, is essential to understanding where we are headed in the next couple of years.
PermalinkPermalink 01-07-2007 @ 13:28
Comment from: Scott Lamb [Visitor] Email · http://www.slamb.org/

Adding in the "all corrections" number doesn't make sense. Those people (1) are in the "prison" number, or (2) they are on parole, have a job, and shouldn't be counted, or (3) they are on parole, don't have a job, and are being double-counted. The 9.3% is more reasonable.

But more fundamentally, what are you trying to measure? The percentage of non-retired, non-disabled adults "not productively engaged at all", as you said earlier? Then you shouldn't be counting the "marginally attached" or "discouraged workers". Those people have jobs but don't like them. I think the same is true of the "people employed part-time for economic reasons" - it sounds like they have full-time jobs but moonlight with something part-time. So the "not productively engaged at all" figure is more like 5.8%.

What you are measuring is closer to "people noticeably dissatisfied with their employment".

PermalinkPermalink 01-07-2007 @ 15:52
Comment from: cm [Visitor]
Aaron: See my comment @ Econbrowser. In addition to that, there is the phenomenon of "stealth" positions, i.e. desire to hire, but positions are not created and advertised, presumably because of "cost management" or to avoid having to deal with an onslaught of "unqualified" candidates. Instead, creating the position is delayed until an "exceptional" (or at least pre-filtered) candidate is available through personal referral. I have heard this from several places, this is not a singular case. And then we have the ever-popular "oldies" -- weeding out "unqualified" or narrow-skill candidates by overdescribing the position or asking for irrelevant or secondary "nice to have" skills (sometimes inadvertently due to exaggerated imaginations of what the organization does), and the age discrimination implied by not considering "overqualified" candidates. The latter IMO is firm part of the "discouraged" phenomenon.
PermalinkPermalink 01-07-2007 @ 15:53
Comment from: cm [Visitor]
Scott: Refer to the definition. "Discouraged" workers are those who don't have a job, and represent they want one but are not currently looking due to lack of prospects. "Part-timers for economic reasons", again by definition, are those who represent they cannot find a desired full-time position and cannot obtain one. The survey questions and explanations provided by the surveyors are such as to make that clear. Beyond that, are you suggesting a substantial number of people are lying in the survey?
PermalinkPermalink 01-07-2007 @ 16:01
Comment from: cm [Visitor]
Aaron: None of what I commented is meant to say you are applying those "techniques". Nonetheless they (have) contribute(d) to aggregate expectation forming in the job markets. Once cynicism and negativism are setting in, honest players will suffer too.
PermalinkPermalink 01-07-2007 @ 16:11
Comment from: Wulf [Visitor] Email · http://www.atlasblogged.com
Aaron, either I am missing your overall point, or you’ve gotten yourself sidetracked.

Um, I had a much longer comment to post, but I can't seem to figure out how to provide links when leaving a comment here. I'll put the rest up at my site, and I'd appreciate it if you could take a look and explain your point to me.

http://www.atlasblogged.com/archives/2007/01/metrics_of_empl.php
PermalinkPermalink 01-08-2007 @ 10:04
Comment from: Aaron [Member] Email
Wulf,

My broad point is that the exuberance about high employment is misplaced. The first reason this is the case is that, relative to the past, there are still high (or at least comparable) levels of structurally unemployed -- or if not "unemployed", somehow requiring carrying by the rest of society. What one labels this is academic.

The second reason the exuberance is misplaced is because much recent job creation seems to be concentrated in deficit-fueled government buildup, the housing bubble, and the health care bubble (yes, it's a bubble). You didn't comment on that part.

You write:

Why do we keep and report an unemployment rate? It is not a figure for its own sake. There is a good reason the figure does not count prisoners – or the retired, or children, or stay-at-home spouses/parents, or the disabled.

No, but aside from prisoners, I didn't pick on any of those non-participating categories. I picked on the recently-created ones of "marginally attached" and "discouraged workers", and to some extent the quite significant compulsory part-time category (note that the latter doesn't include intentionally part-time).

As far as prisoners go, I thought it would be useful to put today's "low" rate in perspective, given the dramatic rise in the corrections population. Perhaps prisoners shouldn't be counted as unemployed. But then the government should consider printing an "imprisonment rate" statistic next to the "unemployment rate" when it is talking about the health of the economy.

You also say:

... greater numbers of men staying out of the workforce for education reasons


Economists love to use "education" as a deus ex machina for everything. More males staying out of the work force? Education. The explanation for capital flowing uphill to the US (economic "dark matter")? Education. Where's all the alleged "productivity growth" coming from? Education. And so on...

I find this particular usage of the education red herring curious because recently I've been reading about low male participation in education (at least, higher education, which I assume is what counts). Given what I've seen on college campuses, I suspect this is in fact the truer claim.

I think your confusion stems from the assumption that I should limit myself to government's own ontologies regarding "employment", or more broadly, "the well being of society". I don't -- I consider that a trap. It should at least be clear there's a conflict of interest.

Thanks for your critical comments =)
PermalinkPermalink 01-08-2007 @ 10:40
Comment from: Wulf [Visitor] Email · http://www.atlasblogged.com
The first reason this is the case is that, relative to the past, there are still high (or at least comparable) levels of structurally unemployed -- or if not "unemployed", somehow requiring carrying by the rest of society. What one labels this is academic.

I don’t see that it is an accurate comparison. As you said, you didn’t focus on the retired, or children, or housewives. You focused on prisoners and discouraged workers. But the motivations for not being employed are important. If I want a job but I can’t get it because I am institutionalized against my will and at taxpayer expense, then that means something very different to the national economy than if my wife makes so much money that I decide to stay at home blogging all day. And I don’t think it’s legitimate to say that the "marginally attached" are being “carried by the rest of society”. Lumping together all persons who are not employed as “unemployed” strikes me as much less legitimate than the current system.

In other words, you have a point that high employment does not equate to high job satisfaction and high incomes, but I don’t think anybody is really being duped by the way unemployment is reported. Or if they are, they haven’t bothered to find out what the numbers are meant to say. I don’t think it’s some conspiracy to hide the truth.

…the government should consider printing an "imprisonment rate" statistic next to the "unemployment rate" when it is talking about the health of the economy.

I can’t imagine why anybody in the government would want to do that. It’s not that it is useless information – as I said, I agree completely that there are far too many Americans incarcerated; the point shouldn’t even be debated. But the people who look at government unemployment figures are looking for just that – not the number of Americans incarcerated, or at what cost. I just can’t imagine that many people would need that information presented in that way. It seems akin to saying you want the win percentage of a city’s star pitcher printed next to the football team’s record. Who is looking for that?

I find this particular usage of the education red herring curious because recently I've been reading about low male participation in education (at least, higher education, which I assume is what counts). Given what I've seen on college campuses, I suspect this is in fact the truer claim.

This is only true as percentages, not absolute numbers. The number of degrees given by colleges and universities is higher every year. The percentage of them being given to men is lower, but that doesn’t mean that fewer men are going to college today than in the past. More people enter college, more people graduate with a bachelor’s degree, and more people enter graduate school than ever before. We enter the workforce at an older age than we used to, on average. This can’t be waved off as a red herring.

I think your confusion stems from the assumption that I should limit myself to government's own ontologies regarding "employment", or more broadly, "the well being of society". I don't -- I consider that a trap. It should at least be clear there's a conflict of interest.

My confusion stemmed from a question of what you were trying to make the numbers say. Look, unemployment is low. The Labor Participation Rate is pretty steady. Incarceration rates are shameful. I am not so much asking you to take the government's premises. I just felt like you were trying to change the definition of terms that didn't need to be redefined. But I do appreciate you spelling out the details.
PermalinkPermalink 01-08-2007 @ 13:36
Comment from: Aaron [Member] Email
If I want a job but I can’t get it because I am institutionalized against my will and at taxpayer expense, then that means something very different to the national economy than if my wife makes so much money that I decide to stay at home blogging all day.


But if you did that, you wouldn't be counted in the unemployment stats at all, and for good reason. That makes sense.

In other words, you have a point that high employment does not equate to high job satisfaction and high incomes, but I don’t think anybody is really being duped by the way unemployment is reported. Or if they are, they haven’t bothered to find out what the numbers are meant to say. I don’t think it’s some conspiracy to hide the truth.


I'd say they can be forgiven for not figuring out what the numbers really mean, seeing as their explanation isn't even included in the relevant report. Further, trends such as imprisonment that bear on the definition of the labor pool are generally not connected. Again, this is mostly relevant to arguments about how the health of our economy is progressing. This goes a bit beyond the BLS's employment report. I grant that that will inevitably be more limited than more holistic appraisals of the economy.


...the government should consider printing an "imprisonment rate" statistic next to the "unemployment rate" when it is talking about the health of the economy.


I can’t imagine why anybody in the government would want to do that. It’s not that it is useless information – as I said, I agree completely that there are far too many Americans incarcerated; the point shouldn’t even be debated.


Well obviously, they wouldn't do that, for political reasons. Perhaps you're right such data and analyses shouldn't come out of the BLS. But I am pretty sick and tired of seeing the executive branch and all its apparatchiks parrot about how great we're doing relative to the past and relative to the rest of the world. It's many of their own programs deteriorating the economic and social health of our society. How is it the corrections system population more than quadrupled, even through the relatively tranquil 90s and early 00s? Something is very, very wrong there. And the partial point of this writeup was to begin to quantify the effect of this.

This is only true as percentages, not absolute numbers. The number of degrees given by colleges and universities is higher every year.


I see -- thanks for the clarification. That's not so hard to believe. I would like to see a quantification of this effect. Are students taken out of the base labor pool, I wonder?

I am skeptical of course that this is such a positive trend. As "education" (really, formal schooling and certifications) becomes more "standard", it becomes more diluted and meaningless. This would help explain declining wages for college grads!

Look, unemployment is low. The Labor Participation Rate is pretty steady.


I dispute this. Even leaving out the incarceration bit, it is reasonable to claim that unemployment is 6-8% (depending on how you weight compulsory part-time employment), not 4.5%.

Maybe you'll claim that that's low. But if so, then how come sound-money societies like Hong Kong or Switzerland do or have had in the past unemployment rates well under 3%... sometimes even being reported by third parties (such as the World Bank) as "essentially zero"?

You're also leaving out the last half (or third, whatever) of my writeup where I point out that the source of most job growth in the past few years are government (based on deficit spending) and frothy sectors. It is disingenous for any authority to point to the resulting job growth as if it is a sustainable achievement.

My overarching beef is that we are fooling ourselves, as a society. We are allowing high levels of structural employment through both flawed ideology and deception. And I think we'll pay the price. There is no free ride for having so much misallocated human ability on such a wide scale.
PermalinkPermalink 01-08-2007 @ 14:07
Comment from: Wulf [Visitor] Email · http://www.atlasblogged.com
But I am pretty sick and tired of seeing the executive branch and all its apparatchiks parrot about how great we're doing relative to the past and relative to the rest of the world.

Now this I can agree with entirely. It's political blah-blah. And I expect it will be the same from the next president, and the next.

And the reason I haven't addressed your point about "frothy" sectors is that I don't know exactly how frothy they are. I do see your point - except the health care part, I think I missed how that is a bubble - but I don't know exactly what to make of it. A soft landing? A burst bubble? I couldn't predict. This is why I usually read a lot and talk very little on the economy.
PermalinkPermalink 01-08-2007 @ 15:33
Comment from: Aaron [Member] Email
Anything that rises in cost/expenditure at a double-digit percentage rate per year, when no convincing fundamentals support such, should be highly suspect of being a bubble.

Further evidence against healthcare is that studies have been showing that comparable developed nations with socialized systems not only spend significantly less than the US on health care overall (by ~25%), but have better health and fewer medical errors and such.

Assuming this can't go on forever, a lot of lucre is going to be lost in this sector.

Anyway, I appreciate your critical roasting of my writeup =)
PermalinkPermalink 01-08-2007 @ 16:10
Comment from: Christina [Visitor] Email
A few random thoughts about "employment" and "jobs."

The Marxists have succeeded in convincing people that a "job" is a right and that everyone (who wants one) needs a steady one with a living wage. This is BS.

There is always work to be done and people needed to do it. Whether or not you need a manager lording over you to do the work is a personal choice. People who need managers join firms. Those who don't start their own.

If you do happen to need a manager to be productive, then those jobs are very easy to come by, provided you are willing to actually work up to the standards the job requires.

The only people I have ever known who have struggled to find jobs: a) have horrible resumes riddled with mistakes, and/or b) have bad work histories and limited available references. If you don't have a job in this country right this minute it's because of one or both of those reasons (excluding of course complete incompetence/unemployability).
PermalinkPermalink 01-08-2007 @ 16:36
Comment from: Aaron [Member] Email
Christina:

There may always be work to be done, but that doesn't mean the resources are allocated properly for it to be done.

Also I think your observation about the abilities of the people who "can't find jobs" is perfectly compatible with my claim that unemployment is unduly high.

Why? Well, imagine if only half the people were employed. Naturally, that would tend to be the half with more skills, education, prettier resumes through whatever accident, intelligence, whatever.

Would that mean you are justified in blaming the unemployed half? Probably not; if half the people were unemployed, something is likely seriously wrong with the economy.

Similarly, if all but 10% of the people are employed, the argument is exactly the same. You have no way of knowing how much of that 10% really *should* be employed.

The underlying principle, I believe, is that a healthy economy has jobs for people of all skills and abilities. In fact, at the low end, cheap unskilled labor simply substitutes for mechanization which has a higher up-front capital cost.

If you look at free market, sound money economies throughout history, you'll find unemployment rates way lower than even our headline 4.5%. I believe, for example, Switzerland is still under 3%.

8-12% are definitely unreasonable, in my opinion, and are sufficient justification for storming D.C.
PermalinkPermalink 01-12-2007 @ 02:10
Comment from: John Zumont [Visitor]
Problem is most companies outsource for cheap labor
so even in an expanding economy, the numbers are
only reflective of profit big corporations are mak-
ing, not real employment figures.
PermalinkPermalink 03-20-2007 @ 00:49
Comment from: Capitalist [Visitor] Email
I am going to be very blunt here. Yes there is high unemployment all over the west world right now. Yes Governments hide it for political reasons. But why do we have this unemployment?

1) Globalization has given us 2 Billion more people into the workforce who want/can work for almost nothing.

2) Automation & Information Technology. Is the reason for almost 80/90% of jobs lost contrary to popular belief. Not outsourcing. Don't believe me? Ask a educated economist about 'productivity' or 'jobless growth'. Many reports on this subject. Don't believe economists? Visit a auto plant. You will notice that robotics make the cars from start to end.

I can tell you right here and right now that we are facing a future with about 20/30% unemployment in every country on a global scale. Because the corporations simply do not need nor do they want more people like they used to. And these days they can increase sales several hundreds of percent without hiring one more person.

And University Degrees have a sharply falling status rate going on right now because more and more people are studying because they cannot find jobs with High School degrees anymore. Increased supply leads to lower wages/status naturally. But my take is that people are educating them self just to be able to find jobs at all. So its not about wages anymore.

Regards Capitalist/Industrialist
PermalinkPermalink 03-21-2007 @ 19:40

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